Where would Jesus park?


The Examiner's big front-page head, "Pay to Pray," reflects the opposition of some religious folk, including the Rev. Amos Brown, who was one of the worst supervisors in San Francisco history, to Sunday afternoon meter enforcement. OMG! People won't be able to go to church because they'll have to feed the meter! It's sexist, too, since: Women go to church! And, apparently, none of the Rev. Brown's parishoners walk or take the bus.

But let's put a little reality into this. First of all, the meters are good for four hours, and if you're listening to Rev. Brown preach for that long, you need to take a break to feed the meter anyway. But in all seriousness, we know exactly what's going to happen here: The cops and meter-readers who patrol the areas around the churches aren't going to issue tickets while services are going on. They never do. Anywhere. 

Drive along Valencia some Sunday morning -- the church-goers just park in the middle of the street. It's fine -- no tickets. It annoys the hell out of me, since you can't go to, say, yoga on Sunday and park in the middle of the street without getting a ticket, maybe because Jesus never did yoga or something, but the reality is, nobody in any of these churches is going to have to pay anything.

At least, the ones who drive won't. The poor souls who take the bus to church don't get free passes on Sunday. They have to fork over the full fare like the rest of us.

And shouldn't all these people of the cloth be encouraging their flocks to be good Christian citizens and avoid driving when they don't need to? Aren't all the bishops and stuff denoucing global warming? Isn't God an environmentalist?

Pay to pray. As they say at the churches back where I came from, Yougoddabefuckinkiddin.


occupy had an entitlement to public space because of their revealed agenda?

Posted by Guest on Apr. 18, 2012 @ 3:54 pm

ticketed all those limousine liberals and champagne socialists, you'd be saying the exact opposite, and whining about police oppression.

You're a tired, broken record.

Posted by Anonymous on Apr. 18, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

Why do you attack Redmond? He's just a journalist using various story angles (the outraged citizen, the curious investigator, the huffing finger) to highlight issues; to stir things up; to question authority; to bring focus to larger issues; to entertain his thousands of readers for many decades.

It's really a turn-off in these public forums to see them being hijacked by angry people who just can't keep from "looking at me down low."

Posted by Vicki Olds on Apr. 22, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

That place where you came from, when are you going back. I'm tired of people not from this city trying to tell us how to run it. I'm not a fan of the middle of the street parking on Sunday either, but the Dolores Park bicyclists holding up the street every Sunday is worse. Whatever, you sir, are a tool.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 18, 2012 @ 9:52 pm

Must have something to do with the separation of church and state don't you think. The people that go to church leave their quarters in the plate, not the meter!

Posted by Guest on Apr. 18, 2012 @ 10:17 pm

Tim consistently calls for unfavorable treatment of those he doesn't approve of, and favorable treatment of those he does. "Hypocrite" doesn't even begin to cover it, but it's the closest synonym for "liberal" there is.

Posted by Chromefields on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 6:25 am

Really have the same world view, they have some secret knowledge and thus some special entitlement.

The church at 17th and Valencia noted on their web page to park in the median, they have a few guys out their directing the people to park in the median on Sundays. When I lived in the western addition people with cars were blocked in Sunday mornings.

Once a month the progressives ride around the city in a tantrum that they rationalise various ways, progressives camped out for months on public property on the embarcadero leaving a smelly stain.

One sense of entitlement Redmond encourages, another he bemoans. All based on his wanting to get over at the moment.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 6:58 am

Christains, what are those, Jesus' skid marks?

Posted by marcos on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 7:46 am

The Western Addition is a special case because governmental action disrupted black communities and displaced them to far flung corners of the Bay Area. Their churches are the only things that are holding those communities together.

Black churches in the Western Addition should get some affirmative action from the government as redress for past wrongs perpetrated against them by government.

All churches elsewhere in the City should be relieved of their special rights to park in the median and made to feed the meters. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

Posted by marcos on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 7:45 am

happened over 50 years ago, these churches should get special treatment? Sorry totally disagree with that. Makes no sense.

Posted by Dnative on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 8:14 am

These churches' memberships are dwindling over time, this exception will not be forever, there are just not that many of them left.

We're talking most all seniors and retirees here who have already seen their communities rent asunder. I'm not cool with the karma associated with administering a coup d'grace to an already damaged community.

Posted by marcos on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 9:31 am

This all happened over 50 years ago. Time for everyone to move on. If we are going to enforce parking for all churches on Sunday, it should be all churches, simple as that. Lots of other churches serve populations with high numbers of senior citizens, etc. Some of those seniors have been through bad situations also- i.e, Vietnam War, Korean War, holocaust, etc. Guess we just disagree.

Posted by Dnative on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 10:22 am

never get a parking ticket.

I'm sure Marcos can dream up a justification for that.

Better add racism to his growing list of flaws.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 11:12 am

The fake outrage of Amos Brown is really quite amusing. Church services at his Third Baptist Church start at 10am on Sundays are over by noon so parking meters starting at noon are not an issue. But even more telling is that there are no parking meters anywhere near his church (McAllister & Pierce). It is in a residential area. But he always needs some kind of fake issue to rile up his followers and perpetuate his feelings of self importance.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 19, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

While the Fillmore Urban Redevelopment scam did happen 50 years ago it's effects are still being felt today, especially in lower income minority communities like The Mission and BVHP where displacement and repeopling is rampant.

Posted by Patrick Monk RN on Apr. 21, 2012 @ 11:14 am

I have news for you.

This country has been undergoing demographic changes for 500 years.

Arguably such flexibility has been a large component of our economci success.

Evolution always favors optimal use of resources.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 21, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

"... of our economic success"

You probably aren't guilty of being as hateful a person as such a sentiment might tend to paint you as being; you may simply be acting a bit naive, so consider it a different way: if you were on the losing end of such a development you here describe as being useful and beneficial, wouldn't you just think those making the excuse were being purely disingenuous and self-justifying?

Posted by lillipublicans on Apr. 21, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

Progress and change is continual. Fighting it is futile although NIMBY's will try.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 21, 2012 @ 5:27 pm

take advantage of the situation and go live in the woods in a tar paper shack?

If you think genocide is part of your being an American you should not have anything to do with it it at all and you should not use anything that America Inc has to provide for you, otherwise cease your whining about everyone else.

The self appointed really have a hard time living up to their own standards.

Posted by guest on Apr. 23, 2012 @ 2:02 am

technically, african-americans in the western addition were the beneficiaries of an earlier government foul-up called the japanese-american internment

Posted by Guest on Apr. 22, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

treat each person as an individual rather than a stereotype.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 23, 2012 @ 6:25 am

'I got mine' myopics still infest this site. More destructive to sustainable growth than the cut worms in my garden.

Posted by Patrick Monk RN on Apr. 21, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

We didn't get that way by maintaining racial quota's in neighborhoods and cities, but by embracing change.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 21, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

The US economy became dominant by taking other people's shit, most often by killing many of them first. We are still coasting on that. That is changing, with the Cold War over, others are willing to pay for raw materials from the global south. The days of the US dollar commanding economic order are numbered. The US must now prepare to compete not with military might but with of economic product that will bring in foreign exchange.

Posted by marcos on Apr. 21, 2012 @ 6:42 pm

about your proto revolutionary ravings.

That is what kills me about arm chair revolutionaries, soviet client states were just as exploited, without the murder.

Posted by guest on Apr. 22, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

... as to whether it is still the most 'powerful' economy, but even granting that, it is a decaying corrupted one; a collapsing corrupted one built on blood soaked shifting sands; a paper tiger on life support.

Posted by Patrick Monk RN on Apr. 22, 2012 @ 7:34 am

2016: when China overtakes the US

After more than a century as the world's largest economy, the US will need to adjust to its declining global hegemony


Posted by Guest on Apr. 22, 2012 @ 8:41 pm

American's can expect a declining standard of living while the American left look at communism to solve the problem, while international communism tells the American left to wait it out.

Posted by guest on Apr. 22, 2012 @ 9:19 pm

American's can expect a declining standard of living while the American left look at communism to solve the problem, while international communism tells the American left to wait it out.

Posted by guest on Apr. 22, 2012 @ 9:19 pm

What decade are you living in? You need to fast-forward to 2012 because red-baiting ended years ago. Red-baiting is so dated. (I'm curious: Do you still use a dial phone with a bell on it, by chance?) Other than that, your comment is not worth a response.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 23, 2012 @ 3:38 am

Pay to Park, Parking Tickets, Towing charges, boot, parking meters, if you live in the city this a fact of life. If you live in places that parking is becoming more and more harder and guess what you own a car, you will most likely see some sort of parking enforcement. If they start enforcement at noon mostly like some churches will have to pay and others will just have to change their times. The city has changed, big time, people come and go, they die off, get married, divorced, it is the way of life. If you have just moved to the city and own a car don't expect it to be a burb way of life, if are from the city and own a car you know routine.

Posted by garrett on Apr. 25, 2012 @ 9:59 am

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